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crafty, is going around the back detroit, youou in in new york, you guys in bakersfield and san jose, i will give you better jobs in a way did,.ever . you don't have to tell anybody or voting for me just go in and vote. there are so leveraged, they can afford to be hemorrhaging. >> watch afterwords sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on book tv, on c-span2. next, part of a forum on the impact of pro-israel groups on the u.s. policy. the washington report on middle east affairs and the institute for research. middle eastern policy close to the event.
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grant: ok, everybody. so somebody asked, what if i already stamped my passport. the answer to that is, please go to registration. they have an endless supply of tickets to build they will only give you one and they will remember your face, so don't try to game the system. [laughter] passport.n show your make sure, no, every single one of those stamps was earned. make sure you had a meaningful transaction, interaction, and if you haven't gotten anywhere near
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then youour passport, have to more opportunities to do so. during lunch, and in the afternoon. it was incredible to walk into home and lounge and the so many , in their moving around. it is a little crowded. if it is too crowded you can always go to the restroom or the ballroom and interact with our fair participants th ere. i haven't had a chance to introduce the organizer of this conference. we are an organization that began doing middle east policy research in 2002. as part of that research, we did keep running into the israel policies its multiple
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and programs, so the institute for research has three core programs, many of which focus on the lobby. of those programs is "freedom of information act requests." the freedom of information act is in a period right now where any real bona fide effort is going to require a lawsuit to complete, and have multiple lawsuits going on at any single time. purpose of the freedom of information act lawsuit is really to ferret out information that the government has kept secret about middle east policy that americans should know. the second major program as the linda mentioned at the top -- as at the top ofned the hour is our effort to do public opinion polling that asks
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in many cases questions the mainstream pollsters whether for rasmussen don't ask about middle east policy. there is a huge wide range of questions that they will never ask about u.s. foreign aid, about what they think about middle east nuclear proliferation. so what we have done with our pulling is using the google surveys platform which is a representative polling process that costs money, attempt to ask those questions and track gallup in particular, which has even within the polling world, many pulls about the middle east that are extremely outliers even with pewr pollsters like
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research. so we put together the data we have covered from polling results and other sources cap published policy research. it often appears online at , and we think that this research we have been has the potential to reduce a lot of the enormous effortsd misdirected and huge opportunity costs that we have been paying as a nation. so today i would like to talk about the israeli nuclear weapons program. it is a topic that is of interest because back in the professor hixonct mentioned this morning, the united states opposed the israelis going nuclear, nevertheless, the u.s. effort to make nonproliferation a key policy goal was undermined. i call it, supplanted.
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we will go through a few details about that, because everybody in this room, everybody watching this in one way or another has paid a price as u.s. obligations under treaty and our own arms export control act have been systematically undermined for 50 years. so what we need to do is that understanding the root cause of this undermining leads directly to the israel lobby. i want you to pay, they want you to continue paying but they would prefer that you do not know what is going on so it can continue indefinitely. so i am going to basically base the points i am making on three concurrent lawsuits happening right now in d.c. district .ourts one of them is about obtaining the entire black budget for u.s.
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foreign aid to israel, which is very large but never disclosed. new gagr is to expose a order that came out in 2012 which bans all u.s. federal workers and contractors from discussing the israeli nuclear weapons program. and finally, a newly unearthed part of nuclear ambiguity policy --ch our secret letters which are secret letters signed by presidents promising in fact to violate our arms export control regime. professor hixon already ,entioned this this morning this year in the 1960's at the policyit, where the goals of the entire u.s. policymaking community for the israeli nuclear weapons program best tocome pa compel israel to sign the
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nuclear nonproliferation treaty, halt the sale of phantom jets from israel that they wanted to buy, and compel the israelis to dismantle their nuclear weapons facility. their consensus as stated in a memo compiled by national security adviser henry kissinger avert a disaster in terms of the peace process. they felt nuclear weapons would quote "sharply reduce the chances for any peace settlement in the near future." ever they israeli policy goals were to buy those nuclear capable jet fighters, maintain the nuclear facility and get the united states to enter into an israeli -contract policy of forever being ambiguous about whether they did or did not have a nuclear weapons program.
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so these two policy objectives were fundamentally opposed and the united states decision around really rotated assessment of the israel lobby to mount pressure on them. if a kissinger noted that they made public that they were , and to ban these jets almost pressure would be mounted on them by the lobby. as thes presidents, professor alluded to, had already collapsed under this pressure. they couldn't pressure the israelis without initially having u.s.-based groups come to them and say, you can't do this. so there was another consideration within the policy which they all considered, something most americans don't know about.
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there was concern because they knew that the israelis had in fact stolen weapons grade uranium from the united states beginning in about 1965 from a plant in apollo, pennsylvania. eskridge are said, this was one program on which the israelis -- as kissinger said, this was one program on which the israelis have stolen from us. subsequent documents released by the c.i.a. and f.b.i. leave no doubt about that. what heaven ultimately was that with all these policy considerations out in the table, the nixon administration nevertheless a. did an israeli adopted anuclear -- israeli policy of nuclear ambiguity. and ever since, united states while in office,
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mostly abided by a policy of never confirming, denying or talking about the israeli nuclear weapons programs, just as much israeli prime ministers do not. buy there were two senators who -- but, satisfied and there were two senators who weren't satisfied and made trouble for the c.i.a. and the national security council. and though they could not compel in numerous meetings with the central intelligence agency, couldn't come pal in the action on their part or on the part of n.s.c. to do anything about this, they did pass and arms export control act, which provides conditions to follow if the u.s. ever wants to transfer foreign aid to a nuclear weapons aate that i has not signed
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nuclear nonproliferation treaty. nevertheless, the united states has never followed its own law. standpoint as freedom of information act users, we hit a wall every time we moved to attempt to make the central intelligence agency, the state department or any other agency release information about the israeli nuclear weapons program. the c.i.a. has released things before. an estimate which leaves no doubt that they know the israelis have nuclear weapons. the department of defense after fighting us in court for half a year released a very lengthy 1987 analysis of the nuclear development program in israel which included hydrogen bomb developments, which included using u.s. resources provided for peace, for
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making nuclear weapons designs. can't u.s. government therethese things, but are 50 years of history, 50 years of slipups in releasing information, and there is plenty of evidence we have been able to use to convince judges that at this point, the only possible reason they are still of thising a lot information under classification is they don't want anybody to come after them and challenge them on the laws and the treaty they are breaking. so nuclear ambiguity has been around for so long that it andires heavy maintenance in this day and age, to maintain. mentosker reporter adam broke a stunning piece in a june, 2018, in which he talked
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about a series of letters that the israelis have been making presidents signed since bill clinton in 1993 until donald trump, more recently, in which they promise in a letter, a secret letter, that they will not compel the israelis to sign p.t., they will not talk about their weapons in public. and there is an administration that is fighting not to even confirm the existence of these letters. but it is clear that they are part of ambiguity maintenance. and this ambiguity maintenance has even taken another form in which the obama administration iner being very positive talking about nuclear nonproliferation, in talking about a nuclear weapons free zone in the middle east, finally
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buckled to pressure and not only signed the letter but also passed a new classification which says essentially that any government employee or contractor but even so much as references information about the israeli nuclear weapons program will be public domain fired, prosecutor, who lose their security clearance or possibly much worse. to this has already happened one department of energy employee by the name of james doyle, who used to work at los alamos national laboratory. james doyle made the mistake of writing a single article called -- why eliminate nuclear weapons? -- in a magazine called march, 2013.n
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he wrote the following -- nuclear weapons do not return to egypt and syria from attacking israel in 1973, argentina from a british inack in the the falklands war, or a rock from attacking israel in the 1991 gulf war, a clear reference of israeli nukes not being a deterrence. stafferngressional noticed he had written this and that representative's office contacted the department of onrgy, usually dependent congress's good graces on funding. they looked at the article, which they had already reviewed for classified information, and retroactively reclassified it, rated doyle's edme, fired him -- raid
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doyles home, fired him, pulled his security clearances. that is how it works. when you look at some of the costs of nuclear ambiguity one way to do that is to look at all of the foreign aid that has been given since sym first managednn to pass the restriction ted n.p.t. states. foreign aidat the figures, and that foreign aid since 19.9 has now surpassed $260.9 billion and again, this does not include any of the black budget aid which we still haven't been able to release. far more than the united states
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spent on rebuilding europe under the marshall plan, for more aid than is given to any other country, and it is interesting to then take a data cut of that 85% of thatthat foreign aid has been given to israel since the simonton and glenn amendments became law in 1976. so by law, none of that almost quarter billion dollars should have been allowed, absent some arms export control act compliance, and absent some nuclear nonproliferation treaty compliance. much aid hast how been given since president clinton, president george w. bush, president obama, president signing newesced to promise toisrael, to
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ignore their weapons, to promise to ignore the npt and a u.s. law, the amount is $99.9 billion, rounded up to 100. have anotheremands component, and this again goes back to the concerns expressed in the report about entering ambiguity in the first place, and that is the cleanup of the toxic waste site left by the plant that henry kissinger referred to. the nuclear materials and equipment in corporation was as israelia. once said, an operation from the beginning. and yet, because of the numec diversion information gathered by this d.i.a., gathered to the f.b.i., dust gathered by the c.i.a., f.b.i. and other parties
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has never been released, the cleanup costs and the blame for this toxic waste left by this an underfunded plant has been shifted onto other parties. so the f.b.i. has documents indicating they know that underfunding and shoddy treatments of protocols on waste handling contributed to the toxic pollution in apollo, pennsylvania, because they had wiretaps on the plant owners talking about the results of a toxic spill in which they were sending unprotected workers to go make cleanups. core of army engineers is estimated that this cleanup will have to be paid by u.s. taxpayers. so i think the story of nuclear
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ambiguity, the cost that it thesfers to u.s. taxpayers, pretty much a legitimate discussion that comes around nuclear nonproliferation in policymaking circles can be particular to this nuclear ambiguity policy. though it is interesting about it is that it is not unique. if you look at other policies, you can see the cycle at work. a plant, silence and exploit. supplanting. , silence and exploit. supplant the policy of the united states that benefits the united states, with one that broadly benefits israel, is the supplementation stage. silence. figure out a way to gag
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stakeholders, federal employees, official contractors, from efficiently communicating about the supplanted interests. exploit, compel u.s. taxpayers and businesses, others to provide resources for israel and the lobby rather than the common good. is taking place and has taken place in other arenas. u nima mentioned that there was an organization back in the 1960's called the american zionist council which was in fact order to register as an israeli foreign agent because it received funding from israel to start up and conduct public relations. but that same organization, along with pressure on the justice department managed to supplant the u.s. foreign agents registration act and their desire to have open information on the money coming in and the policies being enacted, and
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silenced the justice department pure internal pressure. so the justice department held there isntil 2010, but a clear set of documents that shows that aipac was originally ordered when it was operating as unincorporated organization, a order,y with the far and they never did. the justice department did nothing about it and they will not even talk about it. activitiesagent immediately resume for the israeli government when aipac incorporated itself in 1963, just six weeks after that order. and they have been with us ever since. the first amendment, something we will be talking a lot more this afternoon, supplanting and
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conditioning the first amendment to peopleertains wanting to boycott israel over its human rights issues. the silence, part of the cycle is free speech activities seeking peaceful change, people are not being asked to sign waivers and pledges that they will not engage in that speech activity. and the exploitation basically is that if you don't sign, as the government employee or contractor in many states now, a pledge saying that you won't boycott israel, than all those revenues and opportunities are going to go to others more willing to prioritize israel's policy objectives. so this is happened in weapons one example is of
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textron and and other equipment being shipped to israel for their nuclear program. the company was a way to get a slap on the wrist for their export violation. but it has been going on since the very first neutrality act violations in the 1940's, where there was a major israeli weapons smuggling ring in the united states. it was able to move a large number of conventional weapons out of this country to israel with almost no criminal prosecutions. friendsm hoping our from the virginia coalition on human rights will talk about this afternoon is another case of som supplant, silence and all with replacing textbooks histories in the k-12 education system with what is essentially the israeli territory,line on
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settlements and other things, in order to spread a line of government propaganda basically through the textbooks. so i am not going to go into that. hope inn express some the sense that americans are increasingly, if you ask them the right question, increasingly interested in seeing more proper regulation and governments in questions like this. in august,onducted 2018, asked americans whether given the fact that our arms to governtrol act was foreign aid with countries to -- foreign aid to countries with programs, should that be
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enforced, 54% said yes. , andis is raw material someone just asked me before this, how do we contact these people? well, that is the work at hand. but raw material for building more representative rule of law governance in this country. people are clearly out there who are willing to and eager to see some of these things enforced. are certainlyope that americans are becoming that theinformed about some of things the lobby has been doing. hopefully they can grasp, if they have, the spectacles of supplant, silence, and exploit. it might be a literacy some things going on in their states, or community. courts are starting to play a more slightly aggressive and --ductive role in
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action. and most importantly, the institutionalization of groups who know something about what has been going on and are willing to take some action, is .y biggest hope my biggest hope is seeing some of the groups, particularly that come to this conference year after year, and hearing about their work attacking the silence , which is the weakest point of the cycle, and one that we have the best chance of prevailing in as organizations, activists and people willing to take more of a leadership role in these abuses. thank you. [applause]
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>> thank you, very much. we have a couple of minutes for questions. if there are any questions out there, please feel free to give them to someone and they can send them up to me. a couple of questions on the relationship between south , parted south africa and israel. the question is, what was the cooperation between israel and south africa to develop nuclear weapons? grants: thank you. specialthe 1974 c.i.a. israel'slking about it nuclear weapons most feared was collaboration with south africa and taiwan. so the israelis did in fact signed a contract with p.w. botha to sell them nuclear tipped missiles. and someone wrote an entire book
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about that after he obtained the documents from the postapartheid government. doingeople who are credible work on nuclear nonproliferation believe that flash inlled vela the indian ocean in the 1970's, 1976, was a nuclear test in south africa. daye could do an entire long conference, and hope someday we can come about the israeli nuclear weapons program and just how much information there is an out there about it. but the u.s. ignores, it will not accept officially that the flash was an israeli nuclear test. it them except the authenticity of the south african government document released that it was an attempted sale of turnkey weapons systems to the
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apartheid regime. just another example of your avernment at work under supplanted policy of nuclear ambiguity. >> another question here. what can he say about president israel'semergence of nuclear weapons in 2008 and aftermath? grant: so a judge will not accept that. a judge will say, well, carter was in an office, so that is not really an authoritative official statement. so we are sorry, nice try, but we are not going to release information based on the premise that it is already official that presidents have an knowledge to a nuclear weapons program. audience?sein in the is a reporter from the institute of public accuracy who has done videos -- all right of majorideos political powers in power --
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condoleezza rice, dick cheney, all running away from him and his camera crew when asked, excuse me, sir, does israel have nuclear weapons? and he will not believe the locations that you see these thingsgo through -- the these people go through not to answer. >> what methods does israel compel u.s. presidents to sign these letters you discussed? grant: these nuclear ambiguity letters, the worst possible moments. so for president trump, it was --he was facing th ouster of the general, dealing with all those startup conflicts, and someone from the embassy showed up with a letter saying, well, you have designed this, mr. president because
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every other president returns before you send them, and you have to do it. you have to give us a guarantee that you will not be as spontaneous with us as you are with a lot of things. [laughter] grant: so he signed it. apparently they were angered within the administration, they undue pressure, like it was out of line, but they signed it. >> we have time for one more question here. pres'su touch on shimon the nuclear proliferation of israel? grant: three words. father of the program. there will be a lot more words written when the full set of classified documents come out about his role in making that come about. but as you say, dale, we are moving to something far more
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important, which is going to be james norris, who will be speaking about the new york times, so i would like to say, thank you very much and -- [applause] grant: don't forget, once again, to get your extra drink ticket at the front desk, with a full ideas fair passport. thank you. [applause] >> all right, thank you very much, grant. we never devote enough time to your research. that is why you should buy his books. right now i would like to invite james nourse up to the stage -- james norris up to the stage to discuss the mainstream media. which even though it's
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numbers and readership may be declining a little bit, is influential. we know that journalists like everyone else, have some of their biases and they manifest themselves one way or the other. are there more, inadvertent biases in the media? is there a systematic attempt in newsrooms not to divulge the true truth of what is happening in israel, palestine and the middle east? that is the question james north today. to discuss he is in the new york times as a case study. james north is an independent writer based in new york city who has been reported from africa, latin america and asia for 34 years. many of you probably recognize him from his current gig as contributing editor at -- and over the years he has written for "the nation," "in these times. ," and other publications he is also author of the book. "freedom rising" which provided
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a look at apartheid south africa. he will talk about the "new york times" and how it rigs in news and palestine. james north. [applause] james: please forgive me. i will be shuffling papers around up here. very careful to document what i say and i have a documentation here. i am here because i contribute weiss.o weiss went to school together a long time ago and we have maintained our friendship. we've also found that we share a view of israel and palestine over the years, so when he decided to start working on this , iue through mondo weiss believe it is 12 years ago now, i decided to help him to some
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extent. phil is a person of extraordinary energy, and it is just phenomenal how much he is able to write and stay abreast of this. after a few years, he was joined by adam horowitz to comanage the site, another person with tremendous energy. mondo weiss has grown and we maintain correspondence in palestine and israel, so it is comprehensive coverage. so if you are not already visiting mondo weiss, i would encourage you to do so. thate start by saying although i have spent most of my career contributing to the alternative media, i am not prejudiced against foreign correspondents for the bigger papers automatically. excellentends who are correspondents at the "new york times" and elsewhere. i don't have anything against
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them. to give a recent example, the "times" correspondent who covered in the uprising in egypt in 2011 and onwards, amy kirkpatrick, did excellent ,overage -- david kirkpatrick had an excellent book called "into the generals," which talked about the u.s.'s desire to cut of up to israel affected our policy toward egypt. so i am not automatically opposed to a foreign correspondence for mainstream papers. however, "the times" is still vital because -- maybe in some ways even more vital than ever. most of us in this room are familiar with alternative media starting with "washington report," "mondo intifada." tronic
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certainly, the internet has made our work in communicating the truth about israel and palestine much easier, it has not made it -- your average person taking a train down from state westchester into new york is going to be opening their copy of "the new york times" every day and the news they will be reading is what is in that paper . they aren't necessarily going to come to our site yet, although alternative sites are growing. basically, what is also important is as i say in the slide, other media have closed their foreign bureaus. up until 10 years ago, the "avenue" had someone there, the "chicago tribune," "boston globe." now what happens is the "times" is the same place that covers israel and palestine and people are increasingly, if you don't go to alternative sites, and
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that is basically what you will have to rely on. the times is vital because alternative media -- people are not totally aware of them. what i have done in the past 10 years is come up with various ways and the times has been able to rig its coverage. ,ot saying this conspiratorialy but there is a way of doing business of the times in which they try to minimize israel's culpability in what is going on and try to maximize palestinian's. and i don't think that sometimes they are aware of this truly odd i will go through some of the ways we have discovered that this policy actually works. ,one of this will be a surprise but maybe the systematic nature might impact your. first, there is nothing better than a little old-fashioned orientalism, trying to treat muslims and arabs as though they are a different sort of human
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being who operate under different assumptions and are motivated in different ways. the times still relies on this to some extent. again, i think it is unconscious, but i will just old-fashionedod orientalism, centuries-old. this is from a news analysis that a pure couple of years ago. i quote , anda veteran reporte then i will tell you what i think is going on here. -- hamas claims of the british mandate of ella stein is granted by all the, which cannot be seated. therefore, israel is illegitimate and occupants should "go home," thing offered by a palestinian official was a cease-fire. this is a classic orientalist gem. let us start with not translating allah to god.
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just imagine if every time you read a story from france where god was mentioned, if you said, "dieu." or every time a spanish person in a newspaper talked about god, as "dios." this is part of the reason for it. it gets better. for instance, another tool that i used to analyze sometimes is to try and a rewrite of the sentences as though israel with the subject rather than palestinians. you evernce, would read in the new york times a sentence that said -- jews have settled in the west bank claimed the whole of the british mandate bypalestine as land granted which cannot seated. you would never read that in the new york times, and it is almost
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accurate tweet just read here. sentence about the cease-fire. it is more cunning. it reveals even more orientalist thinking. there are plenty of instances in world history of cease-fires including in the recent middle east, weather reporter is compelled to go back to the prophet muhammad in the seventh century for his example. it is oriented lives. orientalism 101. a core way of being which is revealed in the muslim's ancient and their history. the reporters insinuation is obvious. the first muslim, the prophet, offered his troops a truce to strength. therefore, hamas, who are also muslims, our duplicitous in cannot.ture, and you trust them just like mohammed, when their strength is restored, they will stab you in the back. it is all unstated, but yet it
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is the implication here. and i have more examples. let us see. ok. this one will come as no surprise to most of you. use slanted language. the point i am making here is so often, that people stop noticing. by anyur -- definition, settlements are colonies. these are people going into the west bank, putting people there who aren't originally from that area. i am not an international lawyer, but these are colonies. we are so accustomed to hearing them called settlements that even people like us to not reflect on this possibly as much as we should. what we try to do sometimes at mondo weiss is right settlements/colonies or use both words interchangeably. an example of how this could be done in history. in the north of ireland, protestants tend to call the second-largest city there,
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londonderry, and catholics call it derry. when they were faced with this problem of not showing bias in the 1970's, they alternated the first reference in the bbc. the first reference will be londonderry, the second preference would be derry. i am not singling the times out, everybody does this. also, the business that the west bank is disputed, rather than occupied. occupied,lets do say though, occasionally they are even backing away from that, too. israel disputes this, meanwhile, 100 other countries believe it is an occupied territory. i don't think i and international lawyer worth their salt denies this.
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it has become embedded in our speaking. or world's whole point about political language is that if you use certain language, it prevents you from thinking in a certain way, and i think that is an example of that. here is one of my favorites. . --cealed israeli extremists the flight is a little off -- concealed israeli extremists, settler colonists and others like the kirkpatrick cut off there is israeli colonel winter. i learned about colonel winter from max blumenthal's excellent book "the 51 day war," about the assault on gaza, there is really assault on gaza in turn 14. the top quote is from max. this colonel com who is well said thatbasically god had intervened to protect he and his soldiers when they were attacking gaza. we were protected by clouds,
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design, we and all the warriors were suddenly covered by a heavy fog which came to us throughout the attack, prevented them from being shot and enabling them to carry out what i'm sure were massacres for the most part. here is my point. colonel.a in the reporter knows that colonel winter is someone you want to shoot over an interview and do a profile on him. people will read the article. you have a chance to get on the front page if you do a profile colonel winter, but you will not find him on the "new york times." i am not saying there was a conspiracy, that they sit together and say, let's cover up people like this. another example are the settler, colonist theaters in the west bank. these people are often whitewashed or not reported on.
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-- the comment section at mondo wise occasionally gets comments from these settler colonists. of view to their point put across. --some years ago we put we had come a negation with one of them and he published this manifesto. it was hair-raising. you really want to kick every palestinian out of the west bank. we wrote back to him and said, we would like to air your views, show people what you actually think. can be reprinted your manifesto? he wish happy to have that because that is what he genuinely believes. so we formed a bit of a journalistic collaboration with way.n a but the fact is you don't see the "new york times" reporter's heading to the west bank to talk to these people, and yet, they are part of the landscape of israeli life. it is no secret. so again, for the 10th time,
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this is not a conspiracy. but i think these types of individuals make israelis, they make reporters, "times" reporters uneasy, so they don't want to report on them. another one. quote palestinians as little as possible. ignore palestinians who live within israel's 1967 borders even though they are 20% of the population. it. is a really offensive thing that does.imes" they are a fifth of the population and you rarely see them quoted. the implication is that all israel is our jews. except occasionally, when the druze start to protest, you might hear about them. but basically you think israel is an israeli state populated only by jews. surprise when the distinguished palestinian-is really leader came to the united states a few years ago and went around, and some of you may have
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seen him giving various talks, a man.impressive totally nonviolent. the first place he went in the united states was to see dr. martin luther king's home area, the church in atlanta. this is a guy who would again be whohe next israeli knessed, politically represents a fifth of the population and yet he is really quoted in the new york times, you will really see him. the second point is interview palestinians in the "disputed west bank of gaza" except when necessary. there was a piece on settlements -- i dok in 2015 where a lot of counting my job -- how many paragraphs down is a real news, how many people from their side are quoted, how many people from that side.
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this was a front-page article on ,ettlements in the west bank and it did not quote a single palestinian. not one. the article included map, these are where the settlements are, this is this, quotations from 11 different people ranging from n'djamena netanyahu down to an jewish employee of the settlement, and not one palestinian was asked for his reaction. not a single one. the only time palestinians were even mentioned was one sentence that said, a palestinian man and raised a few cows and sheep on a grassy hillside an in white islamic headscarves walked home from school throughout none of the two reporters stopped to ask them any questions. [laughter] i went on to say, this short description is a masterpiece of orientalist haiku. the palestinians are only nameless backward shepherds and
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young women in headscarves, contrasted with the nearby hometown -- their quote -- is really settlement -- the nearby boomtown -- their quote -- israeli settlement. in net and now whose first term as prime minister, he "irked washington" adding 300 settlements. he probably did more than oracle palestinians who lost their land, but we will not learned from this article. they warn a peace agreement might eventually pose the challenge of one-day uprooting israelis who are not raising a second and third generation in contested areas. "times"how the two reporters couldn't find any palestinians being uprooted today. example -- ok.
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regularly published slanted pro-israel articles. properly.t worded what i should have said was something along the lines of -- regularly published articles that are pr for israel. it this is an example. this is a front-page propaganda article about how israel is doing desalinization, how successful it is. fighting drought. until the 23rd paragraph the palestinians were even mentioned. most of you will be aware that water used by israeli settler colonists, the aquifers are drying out. this is an issue. but you had to dig to the 23rd paragraph to learn, here is the sentence but dealt with at the struggles between israel on water rights from the controverted to
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tensions leading to the 1957 middle east war. meanwhile, here is this big. picture you can see it up there, on how well israel is doing. i haven't seen -- i haven't been years seen an article in the times praising israel for inventing the cherry tomato. but in some states, that could actually end up happening as well. i will say this, the current "times" gear chief doesn't seem to do these kinds of articles. his predecessor was -- current "times" bureau chief doesn't seem to do these kinds of articles. here is another one. organizations are breaking the silence. and then ignore palestinian human rights groups. here is an israeli group. " has both palestinian and israelis and jewish israelis working for them. only really was this group
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mentioned. you would think it would be one of the first groups of people he would go to. "greattance, the march of no return" are year ago, they were asking israeli soldiers not to fire at civilians. there were out there monitoring what was actually going on. but no, there was no coverage of it in the "times pure: boy, i am only halfway through here and i have your lights on. maybe i'll come back in a couple of years and -- anyway. ok us see, that we continue good maybe i can finish up with this one. here is another. one. i am sure many of you noticed this during the great march of no return. "use the passive voice." nobody does anything to anybody. more palestinians died in clashes. "clashes" is another vague word.
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if i smash a bottle on one of you in the head any five, that could be described as a class. technically, it is and actually what happened. so that is a good one. instead of saying israeli snipers killed for palestinians, now, there is nothing wrong with .hat sentence if you want to get into the israeli justification -- we feared there were going to -- print about, that is ok, but not "for palestinians died in clashes." this we saw a lot of particularly in the great march of return. the lead was -- a violent act by gazans. launched missiles, they did this, they did that. israeli provocation until six or seven paragraphs down in the story. you would read that is really commanders had rated into the
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of gaza andrt killed three people and that the missiles were in response to that. if you destroy the timeline you can make it seem like the palestinians are the aggressors. it is a very common tactic that is used. here is another one, a new distortion technique which has emerged in the last year or two, influenced by postmodernism. dueling narratives. the israeli say this, the palestinians say that, who knows, the reader has to judge. there is the current bureau chief. you can see his quote near the generations, both sides of the conflict have been locked in mutually competing negative narratives. here is me now responding to that -- an implicit question, who knows which side is right? this is postmodernism gone lethal. of you favored by western liberals that says something is
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too. but are cowardly to criticize israel sometimes one side of the dueling narrative is fundamentally true and the other is a pack of lies. which i think is true in this case. but if you set it up with that where you can evade what is really happening. here is another 1 -- take dictation from israel especially the israeli military. dwell on israeli has a tease and minimize palestinian dad and wounded. this is a big one. ok. here, the editor is listening to the israeli military's current mouthpiece. before that, they had peter lerner, who we got into a debate with on mondo wise. what they should do is ignore us occasionally the interstate and we debate. they god, we can show that are listening. so, then lieutenant general, this is a little less than a year ago, he says here, seven paragraphs in a row, he
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forrted that the gazan were explosives, throwing flaming kites at israel, launching shots at israeli soldiers, that was a lie by the way, all of which amounted to an unprecedented level of violence against israel. next, the stenographer, health finger, just writing what the israeli official says, writes that israel responded with gunfire and tear gas and israeli jets struck targets in a hamas military training facility. this is orwellian. the lieutenant general makes up a grossly exaggerated gazans action and the writer calls them vicious attacks. this is the key in this whole thing here, he also says, one israeli soldier was wounded by shrapnel from what was believed to be an explosive device. bit -- this ise
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not him -- at that stage, in nearly seven weeks of the great march of protest, israel had killed already 107 palestinians and injured another 13,000, and this was going to be the first injury to any israeli of any kind whatsoever. ok, i probably will not have time -- ok. tamimi, thed ahet brave young palestinian woman who was imprisoned six months or nine months, longer than that, -- the times had a problem with her because one of --their magazine had included author, in hisn book "a walk to the spring," in which he actually went and family,ith the tamimi
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and he showed this courageous nonviolent family of resistance. it was already in there. more when she became famous, the "times" had to contradict its own coverage. listed 10 different ways in which the article is distorted, not including photographs of her. there were viral photographs over at the time and none of them ran with the "times" story. ok. quickly, in fairness, "times" reporters do face and a norm of the israelim propaganda apparatus. it is not, we don't think it is
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literally one central office, although there is a central office. the. fact is that even with the kind of protests that we do, the israeli, the pressure that these reporters get from groups in the united states like one which for forts to monitor, and from within israel itself, denying american reporters rights to interview certain people if they do not report the way they like, they still get more pressure from the other side than they do from our side. my response to that is, too bad. if you don't like rusher, you shouldn't have become a reporter. reporters are the type of people who wait for the teacher to finish talking edison as he is done talking, they stick up their hand and start attacking him with questions. that is how you find out who will become a good reporter. if you don't want to do that, don't get into it.
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let me give you an example, here editor, aend, the tweet during the great march of return, where a pro israel guy, sean murray says, why haven't you mentioned that a kite, over 100 palestinians have been shot that already and thousands have been wounded, but he is objecting -- what is in the jerusalem dear achieve -- why doesn't the jerusalem bureau chief mentioned the kite that had explosives on it? and the editor says, thank you for letting me know, that should have been in the piece hours ago. i read to him sometimes on twitter, i respond to him. he doesn't get back to me that quickly, i can tell you. [laughter] but anyway, let me continue. derfn heons larry
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is a formerer, does he would zionist,elf a liberal his memoir includes some explanations for how the press works in israel. larry is an american who moved to israel and in his 50's basically turned against the system. most people change when they are younger, it takes a lot of courage. so i recommend his book. i also recommend another book which did not get a lot of attention in the united states. i hope there are no dutch speakers here because i will not pronounce the authors last name. properly. thank you. whos a terrific reporter came out with this book, i believe, in 2010 or 2011. book -- in with this the first half is about him
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being a foreign correspondent in egypt. the second half is about israel and how he covered israel and the pressure on foreign reporters from the israelis. i recommend it, it is still available online. of hopefound some signs at the new york times. here is the article many of you would have seen above the paramedic was killed in which they israeli -- the "times" actually did an investigation and even though it took them until about the fourth or fifth paragraph, they pointed out that when she was killed, it may have actually been a war crime, that she was shot by an israeli sniper. as i say here, we found this article inconceivable. this came out on the last day of 2018. we found that the "times" would have never done this article as recently as six months or a year before that. one example was that there was a young palestinian woman shot dead at a check point near have
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hebron, about three years ago. talk wise, we were able to to her family, they talked to the press about what happened. new york times and not bother to go and find her. so this is a step in the right direction. luckily do? first of all, but times usually doesn't allow comments on its news articles, particularly from israel or palestine. not a chance. however, they often allow comments on their editorials. but they do allow comments, and i encourage people to comment, you may be surprised at the level of understanding and criticism that there is, growing in the american public about what is really going on in israel and palestine. we are heartened buy it and surprised by it.
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if you are a "times" subscriber, you can sign up and comment. and they do tend to run these comments. the second point is to visit twitter and social media, challenge and comment there. it is particularly common among young people. everybody sees it there, it is not just me talking to you in this room. people come and read through the various tweets and so on and the reporters have to dust first of all, reporters are subject, they are a little uneasy. the done i think they know they are not doing a job. more importantly, the audience sees this. there is a challenge, it is not just running a newspaper without a response to it. obviously, the third thing, continue the solidarity work you are involved in because the best guarantee of increased coverage, it sounds like that in the cart before the horse, but the best guarantee is that the public demands better coverage. if the public knows or senses what is missing and demands more of it, then the "times" will
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have to respond. i think that is it. i hope i did not go too long. i appreciate your listening. thank you. [applause] >> thank you, very much. we are running up against lunch here. there we go.r 1 -- we are running up against lunch. if you could answer one question just because a few people have asked it. are curious how coverage it the "times" has changed ever since the publisher took over. as i said, there was that article that appeared right at the end of last year. whether that is connected to the new publisher or not, i really don't know. i used to have a source who worked in the editorial did art
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department, which is entirely separate, and he said it was understood back man that you had to be very careful if you proposed editorials about israel, palestine, it was known that it could be a problem for your career. section,ar as the news fell and i have been trying to see if anyone from the times wants to speak to us off the record or behind the scenes and so far we have been unable to. as to whether it comes from the publisher, i really would not know. >> at thought it was just worthwhile to share this comment that someone shared -- despite all the evidence you just presented, how many average supporters of israel still regularly claim the mainstream media is biased against israel. if you're at all the time. i thought i was just worth throwing out there. going to breake for lunch which will be served over there. if everyone is in need of divine mercy right now, we have prayers
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